at least you got a single !!So far I've had very good luck with the Enjoybot 36v single lithium battery with Bluetooth installed in an EZGO golf cart despite being termed "a crappy Chinese Lithium Battery" by others. They also have a single 48v battery. The Bluetooth app for your phone provides a full assortment of information and function including heat, equalization between cells, individual cell conditions and much more. The BMS fully protects the battery from extreme temperatures, over charging and discharging.
It's increased the range of this cart by a factor of 10 (at least) and significantly improved powering up the hill at the farm compared to the lead acid Trojans; even when the Trojans were new.
It's only been a couple of months since its been installed, so I don't know what will happen down the road, but they come with a 10 year warranty so that's reassuring. With today's latest discounted sale price ($760) this battery is now significantly cheaper than 6 new Trojans (6 X $190 = $1140). I bought before the sale and paid about what the Trojans would cost but I still got a massive bargain with supercharged performance.
Note the only reason I'm suggesting Enjoybot is because of the website video which showed an easy conversion of the battery box from 6 single 6v batteries to the larger single 36v battery.
OK, now its time for the golf wizard (and Cartaholic VIP!) to swoop in here to condemn and criticize facts in this post.
1993 EZGO Marathon 36V (Cart N00b)
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Golf Cart Wizard
Cartaholic - V.I.P.
Here we go again… as already pointed out by others there are no “facts” in your post. You are repeating the same nonsense over and over hoping it sticks rather than actually addressing the issues and coming up with an intelligent response.OK, now its time for the golf wizard (and Cartaholic VIP!) to swoop in here to condemn and criticize facts in this post.
This is what proves you are obviously a Chinese hack shamelessly promoting defective products on this forum (without purchasing a sponsorship I may add). This is the United States of America buddy, we don’t have “forum censors” here, and not to get political but based on some recent events we aren’t going to anytime soon. There are forum moderators and different forums have different rules that if are broken can result in bans from those moderators. However this forum believes in the 1st amendment and you have to try pretty hard to get banned here. We have freedom of speech in this country, we believe the answer to bad speech is more speech. We have the right to share our opinion on products and services, good or bad. If you disagree with what I am saying then provide an explanation why I’m wrong. You don’t have one which is why you are turning to repetition. If anyone is at risk of getting banned it’s you for repeating nonsense and promoting a product without becoming a sponsor.
And now here’s my questions, since you are obviously somehow affiliated with this company. If your batteries are so great then why don’t you provide the details to back that up? Why don’t you share pictures of the inside of the battery, the BMS and cells, the specs of said components, the construction etc. The answer is because they are garbage and providing honest specifications and technical details would be an absolute embarrassment to your brand. Let’s be real, even Eco Battery and all the others are made in China too, I know you know what’s actually inside all these batteries. If what you were producing was as good or better you would be showing exactly how so, but they are not so you have to resort to shameless marketing instead.
I don’t understand why all of you in China only want to make the absolute bottom of the barrel lowest cost products possible. I’ve seen what the Chinese EV industry is capable of producing, if you idiots would focus on quality and call up your buddies over at BYD or CATL and actually put together a legitimate battery you could probably produce a battery that was substantially better than what Eco Battery offers at a competitive price, but no you want to put together cheap junk that puts people at risk and will ultimately become more E waste that we have to bear the cost of disposing (or let’s be real bear the cost to ship it all to Africa and make them deal with it). For as long as you produce cheap junk I will call it out as such, I have no biases, if you were to actually put together a best in class battery I would likewise promote that product.
Notsoslim
Cartaholic
I call BS. It might double your range from a good set of lead acid batteries. A good set of lead acid should get about 20 miles. I was getting 20 miles on four 12v trojans that were 7.5 years old just before one of them failed. 10 times that would be 200 miles which is not even close to possible. Anything looks good if you compare it to bad batteries. I want some of whatever that is you are smoking. My cart will do 50 after a couple of hits of that stuff.
Notsoslim
Cartaholic
You should be getting very little voltage sag. The resting voltage looks good. They offer no specs for max discharge rates. Quality lithium intended for use in golf carts will list discharge rates for 3 different time spans like what is below.
texasrho83
Member
Well, the information is always appreciated, but it's just information - the decision is left up to the person to decide what to do with the information they've been given. I decided to spend a fraction of the cost because I've already dumped plenty into this cart and wanted to see if I could get just a little better performance with some cost savings. Many folks aren't sitting on a pile of cash to blow on one battery.
Berating people for not following your advice doesn't make sense. It's information plain and simple. You shouldn't take it personal everytime someone wants to go a different route.
texasrho83
Member
Biggest reason I went with 4 smaller batteries vs 1 big one (other than the obvious - cost) was the form factor. I didn't have to modify the battery tray much to get these to fit. I literally cannot fit the big 72V behemoth in here without relocating the potentiometer, solenoid, controller, throttle linkage.... If anything I could go with 2 bigger batteries I suppose.So far I've had very good luck with the Enjoybot 36v single lithium battery with Bluetooth installed in an EZGO golf cart despite being termed "a crappy Chinese Lithium Battery" by others. They also have a single 48v battery. The Bluetooth app for your phone provides a full assortment of information and function including heat, equalization between cells, individual cell conditions and much more. The BMS fully protects the battery from extreme temperatures, over charging and discharging.
It's increased the range of this cart by a factor of 10 (at least) and significantly improved powering up the hill at the farm compared to the lead acid Trojans; even when the Trojans were new.
It's only been a couple of months since its been installed, so I don't know what will happen down the road, but they come with a 10 year warranty so that's reassuring. With today's latest discounted sale price ($760) this battery is now significantly cheaper than 6 new Trojans (6 X $190 = $1140). I bought before the sale and paid about what the Trojans would cost but I still got a massive bargain with supercharged performance.
Note the only reason I'm suggesting Enjoybot is because of the website video which showed an easy conversion of the battery box from 6 single 6v batteries to the larger single 36v battery.
OK, now its time for the golf wizard (and Cartaholic VIP!) to swoop in here to condemn and criticize facts in this post.
texasrho83
Member
I'll test drive it again now that it's fully charged and see what the fluctuation looks like.
Golf Cart Wizard
Cartaholic - V.I.P.
Lead acid batteries are also a fraction of the cost…
No one (well maybe someone) was suggesting lithium was the only acceptable option.
It’s not my advice, it’s the advice of countless others as well. If you had looked through other people’s threads on this forum you can see many examples of the perils of budget lithium setups, especially with a modified cart like you have. We’re not just idiots who are just swimming in money to blow on expensive batteries, we’ve actually seen the good and bad and are trying to prevent people from spending money for no reason on products that may not work. When you ignore all that it seems to suggest you think we are and you know better. Price and Cost are two very different things, people get so caught up in the purchase price rather than considering the total long term cost.
texasrho83
Member
For a good set of 6 lead acid batteries I was looking at $1500. Yeah not a fraction.
Again, it's all information. Information gleaned from anecdotal experience, which is good, but still it isn't a mandate to follow it. When you berate people for not doing your bidding, you're coming off like an elitist. While I understand the quality of the recommended battery maker, as well as others, the expense/cost/price/whatever is stupid high when you consider many folks came by their carts used and spent less than what these uptown batteries run.
To piggy back off your eloquent post regarding the freedom we fortuitously enjoy in this country, people are free to make decisions regardless of your inclination to be diminutive and confrontational. I didn't post my results expecting a lecture nor an invitation for you to give one.
The consequences of my actions are fully accepted by me and I ask no one else to be accountable for what I do.
Well said Tex. As stated throughout, I'm not a Chinese secret agent sent to sell lithium batteries on Cartaholic, though conspiracy theorists seem to be quite convincing these days. Just a guy who put one in an old EZGO and got phenomenal results and wanted to share the experience. I joined Cartaholics to find an electrical diagram of the Medalist (which I have) to power the lights with the new battery and only commented on your original post trying to get a decent power source.
Not even going to respond to the Wiz. Arrogance is best ignored.
Not even going to respond to the Wiz. Arrogance is best ignored.
texasrho83
Member
I also came to the forum to look for information of which there's an abundance so that's awesome. The problem is that when newcomers arrive and are met with hostile forum veterans, they eventually (sooner than later) leave. It makes for a stagnant dying community when a golf cart Gestapo becomes the sole voice.
Notsoslim
Cartaholic
Six 8 volt Trojans for 1050 in Florida.
texasrho83
Member
Still more than I paid and does that include shipping? Everyone I came across wanted a couple hundred more (at least) to ship.
Would 8V lead acid show me better results?
Notsoslim
Cartaholic
5 miles from my house. More than 1 place in my county
Would 8V lead acid show me better results?
How low does your voltage go with what you have?
Golf Cart Wizard
Cartaholic - V.I.P.
Running a shop is not anecdotal experience.
“Doing my bidding”? You are reading way to much into this. It’s not like I said Eco Battery is the only good brand and I’m getting mad that you bought roypow instead, that would be elitist. There’s nothing elitist about trying to tell people what does and doesn’t work. I’m guessing you figured out the answer yourself considering you are rudely ignoring other members questions about the voltage and haven’t posted that the cart is running great now that it’s fully charged.
You sound like the people that buy $3500 BMWs and Audi’s and then go curse out the mechanic when they get a $3000 quote to fix an oil leak. It’s a german car, that’s why it was so cheap. Just because you paid 6% of MSRP doesn’t magically give you a 94% discount at the repair shop. The price of batteries is a constant and requisite for any golf cart. Sorry to hurt your feelings but people need to factor the total cost of ownership when they are buying a toy, which for an electric golf cart will eventually include battery replacement, not just the price listed on Facebook. You’re also acting like just being content going 10mph and spending $0 wasn’t an option. It’s not like the batteries were bad to begin with.
You are free to make your own decisions, I’m also free to question why you are asking for our advice if you aren’t going to listen. Also I don’t see you giving any thanks for all the other advice I gave which you did follow. The only one being “confrontational” is you, getting upset and saying I’m “berating” instead of just answering the question, and trying to make this all about me because I was wondering why you didn’t listen to multiple other members when we you told you 12v lithium was a bad idea. And you didn’t “post results” you came back after everything was already done wondering why it wasn’t working. It’s especially frustrating when you make posts like this:
And then go out and buy the cheapest batteries you’re now having to upgrade after less than a minute (and you got the cheap controller anyway). If your main concern was budget why not just say so? I could have told you even the battery a certain person is promoting would have been a better option if you had actually been honest and asked, the responses are based on the information you provide, which as shown above is conflicting. Not to mention all the times you’ve said you “have no inclination” to switch to lithium. You’re the one that lead everyone down this wild ride of possibilities just to go dark and do your own thing anyway until something went wrong. You are inviting posts like this when you waste our time doing that.
I’m not sure if you noticed but there is no shortage of new members joining here constantly, most of them wondering why they are having problems with their new lithium battery setup (go figure). It’s the veteran members you rarely see on here anymore, probably because they’re tired of having to answer the same questions over and over to people who join and only want help but not to help others, just to have that advice ignored anyway. I’m hardly a forum veteran, and a single person does not make a “Gestapo”.
texasrho83
Member
You run a shop but you have the time to stand on a soapbox and lecture people. Hilarious.
Yes, you are confrontational and you insult people when they don't do your recommendations aka bidding. You're either immature or a grumpy old fart who ran out of Metamucil.
You may have new people signing up everyday but when they get your rhetoric, they don't typically come back.
I didn't respond to the last question that was asked because I haven't had a chance to gather the data. Unlike you, I have a full time job, family w/young kids and a dog with Leukemia I'm caring for which includes taking days off work while sitting at the hospital (like I am now). My life doesn't revolve around golf carts and sitting in this forum waiting to pounce on people who ask "stupid" questions that annoy you and your merry band of admirers.
By the way, no one asked you to respond to my posts. The amount of good info you gave me wasn't worth the salt on top of it.
HotRodCarts
Cartaholic
If you're not happy with the FREE help you get here you can always pay a shop to sort things out for you. 
Notsoslim
Cartaholic
Hey Tex, You asked for advice and then did the opposite and came back wanting to know why it didn't work. How smart is that? Not very smart IMO. You shouldn't be throwing stones. I came to this forum with out joining for about 6 months before buying my first cart. No asking questions; just reading and learning. I learned quite a bit beforehand and avoided all of the silly mistakes. What I learned here help me pick out a good cart. I eventually joined to share my experience and learn more. Perhaps you should have looked before you leaped and like me you would have a cart that actually functions and is dependable. It is best to seek wisdom before you really need it. Have a wonderful day and sorry about your dog. Family pets are part of the family.
texasrho83
Member
Actually, I took the advice of going the budget route with the HD solenoid, and clone controller. The only issue is when I went to shop for lead acid batteries, I found that I was going to pay $12-1500 for them and that is when I went with Lithium.
Again, I didn't point fingers and didn't expect a litany of rants about not listening to the grownups. I merely presented my findings when I went the route I did. Y'all see it your way and I'll see it mine, but it is what it is and I'll get it sorted out like I've always done.
Thanks for the well wishes for Magnus. He's 14 and coming into the end of his life cycles.